Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b]Just a side note here..... as we used to be in higher ed within the state of MN.... the policies are VERY VERY open in MN as compared to other states. VERY. I recall exactly what Notnutty is describing. But I don't know of anywhere else in the nation which is quite so freewheeling about it.
Oregon schools may allow within district school choice, for example, but only on a 'space available' basis. And in some cases, that means 'no' most of the time. "Out of district" placements are virtually unheard-of here.[/b]
same here. It's practically the equivallent of a district declaring themselves [b]incompetent[/b].

....hence the development of [i]"co-operatives"[/i]. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
To me, and I could be wrong, where I come from, an "out of district placement" is practically inviting the district family to demand payment for a "unilateral placement". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]why on this green earth would I put my time and energy into developing and marketing something practically no "pa parent" would approve of? I've seen very little acceptance of "standardizing" [i]anything[/i]. The tool is only useful if those you are attempting to help utilize it.....People can't even agree that a school nurse is necessary, so why develop a tool for one to use? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] [i]Oh, please[/i], the community isn't ready for it... [/b]
Huh. How disturbingly sly of me. :eyesroll:
How would such a tool be different from say this one used by our school nurses? [url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/000895.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/000895.html[/url]

Following along here without comment (imagine that?!) -- but wanted to say that the link just posted above hasn't seen daylight for awhile & would be really helpful for those writing 504 accom plans right about now. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
~Eliz, gonna bump that one up

Quote:Originally posted by ajas_folks:
[b]Following along here without comment (imagine that?!) -- but wanted to say that the link just posted above hasn't seen daylight for awhile & would be really helpful for those writing 504 accom plans right about now. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img][/b]
Imagine: our SD nurses have been using that for over 4 years now. <> I guess they were just way, way [i]waaaaaayyyy[/i] ahead of [i]their time. [/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
In other words, [i]you [b]approve[/b] the food the School Nurse and the Director of Food Service [b]suggest[/b]. [/i]
Yes, I guess so. Every time (except once) the nurse and DFS received a teacher request (to serve/use a food in the classroom) they have copied me in on the correspondence of *their approval*, and asked for mine.
Quote:why was she panicked? You said she "qualified"? Are is she asking for your "informed consent" and receiving documentation of it? (probably shouldn't italicize that, since it's probably obvious, but I could be wrong in interpreting that as "documentation")
Do you make the final call? Are you necessary to make the final decision?
*I* don't require myself to approve the foods. Can the School District *require* a parent to approve of foods it wishes to serve/use in the classroom? I don't think so. I think that's why it wasn't written into my plan. . . because I didn't [i]offer[/i] it.
Based on their actions, tho, my guess is that my 'approval' *is required* [i]by the district[/i]. . . perhaps the superintendent, perhaps on the advice of legal counsel. Maybe "Risk Management" gave written recommendations that had to be considered. I'm not privy to any of that, but that's what makes sense to me.
So I think it *is reqiured*. I think that's why the nurse panicked the one time she hadn't sought my approval.
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Imagine: our SD nurses have been using that for over 4 years now. <> I guess they were just way, way [i]waaaaaayyyy[/i] ahead of [i]their time. [/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img][/b]
nurses usually are. We've been using "competency" check lists for quite a while. [i]We grow up on them.[/i] I thought such things were applicable to "pa" when I came here.
But I'm wondering how long the "competency" check lists for insulin administration have been in use...
But sure, that's pretty standard stuff for [i]nurses[/i] to assess. It's something the community [i]expects[/i] us to be able to do. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] Now, try and pry label reading from the grip of the food allergic community. That's a pretty tall bill, I tell you. Even *you* expect the final say, who has the school you say you do.
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Based on their actions, tho, my guess is that my 'approval' *is required* [i]by the district[/i]. . . perhaps the superintendent, perhaps on the advice of legal counsel. Maybe "Risk Management" gave written recommendations that had to be considered. I'm not privy to any of that, but that's what makes sense to me.
So I think it *is reqiured*. I think that's why the nurse panicked the one time she hadn't sought my approval.
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Agreed. My guess is if you were "unavailable" or flat out refused, there would soon be a meeting to [i]renegotiate[/i] that aspect of your plan. Maybe you knew that when it was written. Suspected. Leveraged. Conceded. Felt the vibe at the meeting. Were caught up in the idea of *them* actually putting "in writing" what they did. The moment of the sale, we sometimes get carried away. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
I admit, I didn't see much else but the heated leather myself...
In otherwords, would you have dared asked them to "put in writing" them "independently" reading the label, if indeed they are [i]competent to do so[/i]?

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
Now, try and pry label reading from the grip of the food allergic community. That's a pretty tall bill, I tell you. Even *you* expect the final say, who has the school you say you do.
I *don't* expect the final say. The school district seeks it. (Are we using the same language here? LOL!)
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
In otherwords, would you have dared asked them to "put in writing" them "independently" reading the label, if indeed they are [i]competent to do so[/i]?
I would have and I did. Here's what the 504 says regarding food provided for general use or consumption in the classroom: [i] ". . . the food label will be submitted to the School Nurse and the Food Services Director for analysis and pre-approval."[/i]
Period. Nothing about *me* or *my approval*. No prying necessary.
And in case you're wondering, Mariah participates in the school lunch program. [i]I don't read those ingredient labels either. [/i] The Director of Food Services is responsible for "label reading" for the lunch program too. And, yes, that's also "put into writing" in the 504.
Based on some of your jabs in this thread, MB (e.g. "the school you [i]say[/i] you do" and [i]"if that's the truth"[/i]) you obviously doubt that what I am stating here is true. Sly guise that I am. So..... [b]***HERE'S A CHALLENGE FOR YOU MOMMABEAR*** You know the name of my school district. Call the board office and ask to speak to 'the administrator who oversees student accommdation plans'. Tell that administrator you have a child with PA and would like to know how it would be managed. Ask anything . . about label reading, and food in the classroom. Ask them about the lunch program. Confirm or disprove anything I've posted here for yourself, and then post your findings here.[/b]
Maybe you'll end up moving here instead of Naperville or wherever. . . LOL. (Though my previous offer to car pool your cubs is withdrawn since Mariah now rides the bus. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] Ah! Which reminds me, ask the board office about the district's transportation accommodations as well. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] I *don't* expect the final say. [/b]
are you sure? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
Quote:[b]The school district seeks it. (Are we using the same language here? LOL!)
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I'm sure they do. . .